In a world not-so-long-ago, CISO’s fought for people to understand what they did and why it mattered. Fast forward to today, and the modern CISO faces a dizzying variety of challenges everywhere from the boardroom to explain 3rd party risk management to product design sessions where they might be debating anything from data anonymization to SOC2 compliance. Our guest in this episode, Justin Dolly, stands apart as a no-nonsense CISO who has covered a truly broad spectrum of problems such as negotiating consumer privacy trade-offs for fitness wearables while at Jawbone or diving headlong into the ransomware problem at MalwareBytes. During this episode, Justin weighs in on the future of identity, the death of passwords and whether moving to a ZeroTrust model is more aspirational than practical. This episode has something for everyone with the notable exception of people who love VPNs. Justin’s fiercely pragmatic approach and gift for storytelling make this one of our favorite episodes so far.